Empire Market Update

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Its now been over 48 hours of the market being down. The market mod panel has also been down that long. I had hoped it would have returned by now. It is looking very unlikely that it will. The mod panel is down and the admins are not on jabber.

I don't think the admins ever planned an exit, planned exits usually disable withdrawals and continue accepting deposits for weeks sometimes even much longer. It was only a week ago when BTC on the market temporarily stopped working and the admins fixed it fast allowing BTC withdrawals again. If it was a planned exit i don't think they would have put in any work fixing BTC withdrawals that close to the end. They had frequently told me they wanted Empire to be the longest living market in history and for the most part i do think that was their intentions and is why the market was online for as long as it was. Having said that. It is sad the admins didn't give any notice of the closure and there is no excuse for that.

I know the admins were getting tired of keeping Empire Market running. The market was on auto-pilot for the last half a year with no new features being added. I had made suggestions, some of the suggestions was getting rid of PINs and only using PGP 2FA or reviewing XMR code to make XMR withdrawals more reliable. Most of my suggestions were ignored. Earlier on in the history of the market they listened to me more. The market launched with allowing weapon purchases, they removed it after i strongly advocated against the market having anything to do with weapons. In the last half a year it wasn't just ignored suggestions. Communication in general between the mod team and the admins was very limited. This was frustrating but i had accepted that this is the way they wanted it.

Here is why i think the admins closed shop.

Empire Market started having good uptime again after the EndGame links were added 4 months ago. The market was online because the two admins agreed to make weekly payments to

/u/SchwererGustav

to keep the market online. Gustav had been holding down the market brutally for a long time and when the EndGame links were added, he took all those down too. That was probably the closest the market came to a breaking point and a deal was made. I wasn't told of the specific details of the arrangement and i never spoke directly to Gustav but i can guess he must have been getting paid at least $10k or $15k a week maybe more.

The market was already in a complicated spot with Gustav and when new DDOS came from a new DDOSer that could hold down 9 EndGame links. This was probably when the admins decided to call it quits. I doubt they would want to pay multiple DDOSers and at the same time it wouldn't work paying one DDOSer if another is holding the market down.

Having said all of that, if the Tor staff team had fixed the problems in Tor that makes an attack like this possible, i believe the admins would have stuck around longer. Tor staff know what they need to do to fix this and that is to add PoW to the network. Maybe they are working on this now and its nice to see they are talking about PoW more frequently but they have been stalling on this for years. I'll go one step further and say if Tor staff team added PoW years ago even Dream Market might still be here.

I never had server access to the market but i did host the new forum. The forum was spared from the start date of the new DDOS but after the admins took the market down completely, even the mod panel. The forum started getting attacked after that. It was up and down for the day after the market was taken down then i took the forum down, waiting for the market or mod panel to return. In my point of view, putting in the cost and time to fight the DDOS and keep the forum online was a thankless task if the admins have stopped communicating with me and stopped paying me. This is why the forum was online for a short time after the market was taken down but was taken down later. They were not hosted together. I started at Empire as a volunteer forum moderator on the old forum and never thought i would come this far. This is a sour conclusion but i am proud of the work i put in.

I'm disappointed the admins ended the market like this. I apologize to anyone that had money in escrow. I can only advise that you use markets with MultiSig and only use that for big orders.

Much love. Se7en.

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/u/[deleted]📢

Reply to common questions:

Melbourne was doing PR and damage control. He doesn't have server access or know anything about what the admins are doing.

All i said yesterday is that if the market isn't back in a couple of days i'll make a post. I was going to wait until tomorrow to post this but it's not just the market that's been down for over 48 hours. With the mod panel being down and the admins not being on jabber for over 48 hours and knowing the admins were tired and caught in a complex situation with Gustav and other DDOSers. I was confident enough about the fate of the market to make this post today.

If the market did miraculously come back that would be great. But i really don't think it is. I wouldn't have made this post if i thought there was even a 1% chance the market would come back.

A few other things that accounts with 1 post are claiming
Claim 1: My subdread flair was changed from Admin a couple of months ago. No it wasn't. The only permanent change in my flair was from Moderator to Head Moderator.
Claim 2: I was listed as an Admin on the market. No i wasn't. My profile said "Moderator".
Claim 3: My PGP key was changed months ago. No it wasn't. My PGP key has been the same since i signed up on Dread.

Another thing. People saying i deleted my posts is proof of something. I didn't delete my posts a couple of days ago. I deleted my posts when i left Dread and didn't plan to be active on it again, as i switched to Empire Forum. I poured my heart and soul into creating that forum. Why would i put all that extra effort in if i knew the market was just about to close?

Hate me if you want. Believe me or don't believe me. If i was part of the exit i wouldn't still be posting on Dread. I'm just as disappointed how this ended as you are.

/u/[deleted]

Smells like BULLSHIT boys

/u/SamCulper

Thats just because you dont understand market structure and modding game... Which is okay of course.

/u/lednelly

Yeh /u/Tegridy_Farms U dumb Boi no understand ok. No like big neckbeard /u/SamCulper the supreme gentleman

/u/itzpony

Someone’s dick riding

/u/BarK1ng

for real lmfao.

/u/ETIZXAN

what if he started a war with his status of the darknet post causing allllll this shiet? Its obvious that there is more to this situation he ain't posting all the good deets

/u/TomCruise

WHAT'S IN THE BOX????? WHAT'S IN THE BOOXX???????? WHAT'S IN THE FUCKING BOOOOOOOXXXXXXXX????????????????

/u/MisterMeatMan

*Swinging gun wildly*
Awwwww what's in the BOX!?!?

Oh... only $8.15 worth of BTC, phew.

/u/SpaceCadet2020

YOUR MOMS BOX

/u/TTTz

Whos ever fault this is LE, Admins, you, me, someones mom, who ever.

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/u/yaboygotfucked

Aye we all got fucked but dont shoot the messanger se7ens been fucked over aswell left to deal with the mess while the admins run off with millions, if id just robbed millions i wouldnt be sat on dread posting i respect him for atleast keeping us informed its a fucked up situation but at the end of the day its a drug market it was to be expected ill miss empire

/u/brosco131

Bro se7en is most likely admin. Hoe dumb can you be

/u/Jrsmatt

I agree fully with the one above me^

/u/762loaded

You're a bit slow, aren't you? He's simply doing guilt removal and directing guilt towards "admins"

/u/thisthat

he straight ran off...he deleted his account as well as melbourne, there is only one moderator left now

/u/Waterme

So many comments being removed....

/u/testingqueen

I don't know what to believe but I don't think we should be jumping to any conclusions. I'm just pertubed you are quick to label this as an exit scam without knowing anything.

/u/giganta

Agree. His post is super suspicious, as he claims to not "be in the know" but at the same time he is speaking in such absolutes and with such certainty that the market is gone and won't be coming back.

This dude is bullshitting us.

/u/germanfinest

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deapsea : TINDERDRUGS
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message us for free sample !

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/u/squeaky_clean_sanchez

long live empire

ummm... no

/u/Cascades

Almost makes you think if it was all planned since he published that "State of the darknet post" along with his many praises of Empire Market recently which he has deleted all.

/u/Givemethexanny

/u/Amazone biggest bullshit I heard all day man.

/u/FlashbacksCafe

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/u/Seinfeldia

Which country you in/you ship WW?

/u/realhelixman21

stop using wickr. use telegram/signal , wickrme is compromised

/u/NamasteLSD

hi friend do you have info on that?

/u/mito

why is wickme compromised?

/u/illiFits

how safe are telegram and signal?

/u/vext

?? um.. care to enlighten?

/u/Curie_The_Loom

Hey... I wasnt here to see who posted this... or "The State Of The Darknet..."
Before he deleted his account.... it just says /u/deleted...

Do you mind telling me... who the poster was...?

Edited... I see it was se7en...

Such a shame... Empire treated me well.... good vendors...

/u/marine777

You are right on target. How could this guy know who was doing the blackmailing or if that is what is really happening ? He sounds bitter like the guy who didn't get paid. AND, dumping this "State of ..." right before empire exits. getting his last shots in.

/u/brightstar

It is not fact that "Empire exits". the last signed message from somebody who matters (not this clown shitbag) was only two days ago! it said "have patience" .. So maybe that is good advice. Flame the PR creep who obviously has his panties in a bunch and wish the admins who hopefully are working hard to fix this mess some good luck !

/u/PeturBugir

Goes to show you should make your own conclusion and trust no one I'm just more shocked that Empire Market has exit scammed and created FUD on Dread and they're still not banned.

/u/lowworldhighlife

yes exactly what i was thinking. mr /u/deleted aka se7en was salty af and set this whole attack up. so what the fuck now. you think emp is working on their servers, moving btc to protect from a hack? or i sevens BUTTHURT DDOS AND NARRATIVE making it so emp is done? i know it can take a litte bit to fix server and "dont trust whenthey come back online" sounds like 1, not an exit scam, 2, hes trying to cancel emp for his on chocolate starfish getting a cucumber stuck too far up it.

lol basically. as we all do, im tryog to figure this all out

/u/ASAPMedi

Rather than complain, try to figure out a solution to keep them out!

I agree fuck DDOSers but we need to all work together on creating a new anti-DDOS system even better than EndGame or possibly help improve EndGame itself. Also, Tor definitely does need PoW too, it can minimize the burden on all of us quite a bit.

Our survival is at stake here, we should be all united for this cause! Every single one of us wins if we work together on this.

/u/bananaboat

I like your approach, community problems require community solutions

/u/zabalero

I'm 100% with your way of thinking and proposal!! If we come all together buyers&sellers and direct our efforts to strengthen Tor servers, nods and security, it will not only make our lives easier but our relations more trustworthy, secure and long lasting. I'm honestly tired to have to migrate every 6 or so months because a market had exit scamming or whatever other reason that can be avoid by toughen up the security measures.

At the end we are own saviors, but we must unify against any thread first that put our free will and choice of what we want to buy or sell at risk

/u/Benzo_Depot

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/u/jty934h43

Until the Tor staff get off their asses, that may be true. The whole captcha thing seems to be just cat and mouse that will go on forever until Tor changes or the market pays the ransom.

/u/yaallshouldknowbetter

Even so, Dream exited ethically, not so Empire:/ When it started slowing right down i was out of there fast. never keep more coin in market wallet than i needed for each order. I lost 5 bucks, whoopee:/ My sympathy to the vendors who lost a shitload:/

/u/fuckof1234

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/u/klaasflakko

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/u/lapron

what u talking about man

/u/fatherdaug007

http://midnightkt43f3fk.onion/

/u/pokaboy

Downvotes expected but for the less technical of us could you give a reasonably simple explanation of PoW?

/u/loneloser18

Great explanation. Just adding that PoW stands for Proof of Work. That might give you some information to do more research.

/u/Verandor

Very good explanation, thank you! Most of what I found on the internet was very technical and hard to understand.

/u/p33kab00

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/u/chazzy

I remember reading somewhere about 6 months back that empire was barely staying afloat back then. They were dishing out too much $$ for stuff and barely turning a profit

/u/nakedsheep3

What would it cost to open a market with the capabilties of Empire and protections you speak of??

/u/LittleBits

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/u/cadrata77

you should join our club

/u/vulfluf

This is rather interesting proposal - PoW overlay! Do you plan to do a whitepaper so the whole infosec DNM community can contribute and review it? I would definitely take a look and contribute.

I think it would be great to form some kind of a working group of security experts and developers here. We could focus on interesting problems together, maybe have a crowdfunded budget and goals, like Monero community is working.

I could also look into Tor PoW implementation if there is some backing support from the community. We could discuss the approach, design the protocol changes and implement it. I am not sure how Tor developers react to Pull Requests like this, but it may be worth a shot.

/u/pomegranate

If you need any help let me know - I'd be happy to provide some feedback. I have setup stores for vendors in the past successfully.

/u/palpitante

this community needs more people like you ... i think that skilled people who could have satisfying and probably very well paid work, like you guys seem to have, may be less prone on moral compromise than teenage scumbags whos only looking to make a profit out of doxing and blackmailing

/u/Jesty

Would you be able to write up a tutorial on hardening a server for a self-hosted vendor store? Currently don't have a store and want to plan ahead. Thanks

/u/crom

Did you ever get around to writing up such a tutorial?

/u/13423423342

If you can't educate yourself and learn on your own without relying on others then don't even bother.

/u/poem_narrator

I am sorry everyone, this is probably my fault for keeping that 0.12 XMR in there. Admins probably saw that chilling there and said "Yo fuck it, let's take this 0.12 XMR and go in on a pepperoni pizza."

Anyway my theory is that because Se7en posted this, the site will be back online within 48 hours.

/u/Grxmmatolxgy

you absolute fuck /u/poem_narrator. Go fucking narrate a poem, I knew it was your 0.12 xmr all along. You fucked us all leaving that in there. You better narrate us some fucking shackspear to make up for this

/u/GulagPimp

Shackspear make PP hard

/u/JustinGaychi69

And the award for the best poetry of 2020 goes to GulagPimp! Congrats, you've won 100 XMR, redeemable only through your Empire account...

/u/Alexthekid

Is the name Shackspear? There can be only one.

/u/ShamanUK

cost me 5 grand and daily sales 400-800e never gonna forget that should have spend it on some porn.

/u/CannaMedsVendor

It seems a little quick for se7en to jump to conclusions and accuse the admins of running off. Just yesterday I believe he said maybe they would bring the market back in the next few days, and if not he would make a post. Then the next day he impatiently makes a post, making assumptions that the market has been closed for good. At this point we have to give /u/Melbourne the benefit of the doubt. Seems se7en may be a little bit emotional due to the fact that the admins aren't communicating with him, but maybe he should not take it personal and remember they probably are elevating their opsec practices. Empire was successful because they were the only market able to withstand DDOS and the team seems very talented in that regard. It has only been a couple days so I think its too early to declare a victor.

/u/Dreamvendor1990

I know of alot of fairly legit markets that would go offline for days to fix shit. Even SR1 would go offline for a week at a time and no one ever said dpr was exit scamming. How expectations have changed.

But he says they were paying off the ddoser and the dread filter never stopped it, if thats true then they may have in fact called it quits.

/u/BenzoBitch

Funds are moving as we speak. Check your deposit addresses. It's over buddy. They gone

/u/Greenspeck101z

Ya the servers are currently at the bottom of the river.LMFAO

/u/TwattyMcTwatface

Surely they would at least communicate this to their head mod, though?

/u/rudy111

damn i was so happy that i finally found a vendor and then this happens, is there any other way i can talk to you cannameds i really want to do more business with you
stay safe everybody we will make through this cant imagine how some people are feeling rn after loosing that kind of money

/u/ahammer

Me Too! Man I've only been on Maybe a month on the dark Web I just finally had somebody help me figure it out I had a couple good purchases and then I purchased some things 2 sheets of acid and some ecstasy $800 later the market shuts down everything's in escrow and I haven't received anything that sure makes me feel good about the market

/u/TrapLife20

Like 2020 couldn't get any worst and yall pull this shit smh

/u/DesignerCali

One minute your screaming Empire is the most legit market in the world and the rest will rob you.
Next minute we get robbed by empire?

This is why you guys wouldn't offer FE. You've made off with millions congrats.

/u/e6soldier

What markets have you moved too?

/u/JULIOPONE

Hey! on which market can we find you since the empire closed?

/u/codmaster

Cannahome and Icarus at moment. I messaged you private about the tracking please pay attention on it please. Really on need of it

/u/LSDTwin

Billion actually lmfao they just transferred 100,000 bitcoins out of the hot wallet

/u/ScottyNoname

well for a billion i guess i would exit to

/u/TheShillinator

oh great. ive lost thousands

):

/u/SalomeP

Oh, absolutely. Anyone who thinks he's just some clueless messenger is really quite gullible. Who would ever set themselves up in such a position? Nearly all the risk and zero payout, from his explanation.

Yeah, I'm not buying that. DNMs have gotten weak; this is unacceptable and ought to be pursued.

/u/ukragent

If you are to belive Se7ens version of events than the entire issue is that there has appeared another DDoS agent, on a massive scale, and that the mods dont want to deal with them both.
i doubt anyone will

/u/DMTryptamines

Yeah history says a much different story between mods and staff. They are left in the dark on purpose and paid to do the things they don't want to do.

/u/freewalder

Ouch.

/u/xiao_baobeiVendor

hahahah

/u/cloudflare

same here :(

/u/PsycheShop

Se7en had nothing to do with it. I seriously doubt he is getting any cut

/u/yolofolfe1

Is it absolutely impossible to track down the location of these DDOS attacks?

/u/broomapple

yes, that's the point of TOR

/u/KINDercare

You're still paying vendor bonds?

/u/EmpBombP

What ? aren't you supposed to be the Admin of the market ?

Anyway, peace my nigga. it was a good journey while it lasted...

/u/diesel11

Sounds more like admins cut you loose for starting with everyone.. the ddos came because you outed people and started a war. Sounds like admins had to stop oaying you and cut their losses because of what you started.

/u/boobybigarm

yep what else can he do?

/u/spangler4321

I'm very new to this scene and there has to be a way for one of the computer wizs to be able to figure out who the admins were.

/u/adruguser

oh no, i wanna know what this said

/u/codejunkie

It is only a matter of time when WHM will exit, too. Those markets growing now, are the desaparecidos of tommorrow. The bigger they get, the bigger their problems are getting as well. It is not only about DDOSer trying to get their cut. Being a market admin you are always on the run - for your profit and for your freedom. It is part of the game and the risk of using traditional escrow system which markets control.

/u/SteroidWarehouse

I was also getting a lot of disputes in the last week and customers told me that their accounts got hacked. Luckily the sales number dropped significantly after se7en made that "state of the darkweb" post.

/u/DeepWeeb

B.S :) We all now know EM was a huge pile of B.S based on lies. I am considering moving to Bigblue team. Maybe the state of the darkweb is:
Empire Market: Total B.S
WHM: Next exit scam
Monopoly: In case WHM didn't make it

Some will know what I mean.

/u/CocaineBrain

And there it is. Today we witness a legend pass onto the next realm.

/u/ShakybeatsM

Let the chaos begin......

/u/xanaxfastconnect

Hear me out -

Is it possible the Admins know it's going to take more than a few days to be able to test and successfully implement code designed to mitigate the DDOS resulting in keeping Empire online, and they just want to be left in peace to work on a solution?

Imagine you are a market admin, and all you're seeing is people everywhere freaking out. If I were the admins, I could totally understand them wanting a little peace and quiet away from everyone so they can focus on getting the market back online.

I saw posts about coins being moved from Empire wallets elsewhere. Is this true, and is there a non-bad actor explanation for why this would be done?

I'm just trying to think positively and offer some alternative perspectives. I would love to hear others thoughts.

/u/MeowLookHere

You must be really dumb.

How do you know who that wallet belongs to? You don't. Why would you begin to think you understand what that wallet is used for and why? Because you're an idiot who thinks they are smarter than they are.

I haven't looked into it, but others have suggested this is a 'hot wallet' for a large exchange. It's obviously not just a wallet being cleared out. If you look at the history, there are huge transactions going IN AND OUT. It's not just all going out.

Pointing to some random wallet address and saying "look at all the coins' going out", when there are huge amounts of coind going back in, does zero to prove your point. It just proves you have no critical thinking skills.

/u/StephenHawkingsLegs

Certainly possible.

/u/cheefinreefer

Soooooooo whens Empire coming back............................

/u/Heater67812

People are not thinking in an objective way when they lost money or even on drugs most of the time. I lost money too and for sure, this behaviour from Empire isn't nice. I'm happy as well for this update. Make sense to me. But for most people, conspiracy theories are the way to go...

/u/AnusPainsHurt

The whole Gustav ordeal was many months back though, back then this new and upcoming update was probably not even in the works.

/u/expresspharma

shame another bites the dust, and more more money lost . any one looking for expresspharma please find us now on our own vendor site thank you

/u/dracula1989

Cheers to vendors being resilient and moving on to the next best market or vendor store.

/u/skask

yay THANKS ADMIN FOR FUCKING ME great!

/u/RechardSport

I have stated this before: I will not be surprised if empire go exit scam even if I have 3k in escrow, with my 5years' experience in doing business in darket, every market will exit scam soon or later. When admin is tired of maintaining market, exit scam will happen.

/u/feelingganymede

we need a forum were users and ranked dealers can meet. No scrows, no bullshit, RAW!!

/u/majorfame

Thank God! I only lost one hundred se7enty dollars in this mkt. Not like few yrs ago i lost Four thousand on AB. On to the next.

/u/imissprivacy

Se7en - thanks for addressing the community

Empire - RIP

Community - do you think those of us who got heavily downvoted for politely pointing out that there was more than a DDoS going on could get our upvote scores back from those of you who didn't want to accept it, and thought downvoting us might change reality?

/u/XanIs2Stronk

Some people lost 30K, i've never own that much money in the 30 years i been alive.
Fuck, I would lose sleep for the rest of my life.

/u/colarocks

start vending you will make it quick

/u/GretaThunberg

That is how a fight works, when you've been knocked down so much, you eventually you just stop getting back up. We all have a breaking point. It was either go on for weeks on life support while FUD causes people to slowly start pulling funds out or on loot and leave before you have to make another payment. It came down to two choices, ethical exit or profitable exit.

/u/accidental_fraudster

I believe se7en. (He's not admin by the way). Anybody who spoke to the two on old Empire forums could tell you that.

I'm surprised the Admin didn't exit earlier. He was super paranoid and quite rightly. Can't run the #1 DNM indefinitely and not get busted.

Think his plan was to cashout and move to south east asia. Good luck to him lol.

/u/bluj1tsu

I'm Looking for a vendor from Empire.

........"nights", ..................................

if you're out there reading this, hmu. I'll leave my contact info below.

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/u/poilkjmnb876

I'm also looking for nights, he was the fucking GOAT vendor. Have a pack still yet to land, but im more worried about keeping him as a vendor. Please let me know if ya find a way to reach him.

/u/dumbsing

Good on you for speaking up. I respect you, /u/Melbourne, and I respect se7en, and I believe you don't have anything to do with this. Why the hell would you post if you did? What would you have to gain from it? Thanks for everything you did. Enjoy some well-earned time off. I'll miss the user-friendliness and size of Empire, but this is just part of the game we're all playing. I learned that the hard way when I lost a pending order in Evolution's exit scam. Wish they had done it like Dream and Agora (still miss those sites!), but again, you shouldn't but any money on a market you can't afford to lose. Feel very sorry for the vendors! BTW, agree with other posters - go buy from your favorite vendor on another market to help soften the blow, and if you can afford it, kick them a tip.

/u/MitchCumstein1

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/u/gimmie223

Ok folks so what market(s) are everyone going to now since em is gone? I've found a few but doesn't seem like the vendors I need ate up there.

/u/Subdocsub

Can’t get rid of me that easily HMU suboxone and subutex

/u/PopularVote

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gpg: Good signature from "se7en <se7en@yeah.right>" [unknown]

/u/mankytoe

Shit, wish I had read this before my last comment...

/u/Jamalz

dread isnt comprised . /u/hugbunter just posted and paris is around. this is nonsense

/u/its2017again

RIP. Sorry for those who lost money.

/u/aloe

This is exactly my thought, why in the world are people (including se7en now) saying it is the end for sure? They seem so certain of it even though it has only been a short while since Melbourne posted --it has only been something like 24 hours since he made the post about the supposed fake ip leak. It sounds like se7en is being pessimistic OR as you suggested, he knows more than he is saying in this post that influences this opinion. Either way, I'll be interested to see if Melbourne responds to this and/or keeps posting status updates.

The longer the period without a status update from Melbourne, the more worried I will become. Maybe I am too hopeful but I do trust Melbourne.

/u/VitotheVito

So you think theres any chance they are coming back?.. I am just holding onto sand at this point..

/u/DarnuK

Damn!

This has gotta sting for the whole DN community. Its a sad time for us unsavory folk.

Hopefully this will be resolved with TOR updates. Fuck the DDOS!

DK

/u/LetsGetRichy

HOLY FUCK I LITERALLY LOST 34 DOLLARS...... Honestly though so sorry for whoever lost serious cash I was scammed for 10k by GucciBars and I was depressed as fuck. Money can always be made back but the time invested cannot. They should've just scammed for 50% or some cool shit

/u/MisterWorld

Thanks /u/Se7en... Figured as much when it appeared they were keeping you in the dark, like admins have done in the past when exiting. It's always the mods that get fucked. I appreciate the hard work you've put in and you exceeded my expectations by making an announcement today, I figured it wouldn't come until Tuesday or Wednesday. This is a big loss for everyone but nothing can be done except ripping the band-aid off and accepting reality. At least now, everyone can start working on contingencies instead of holding out with false hope. Best of luck to you in the future and stay safe out there.

/u/topdown4

Lmaoo damn this is fucked UPPP for so many vendors I feel bad for all of you honestly. Please let this be a lesson that ANY market is capable of this BS no matter how many times they "made it right"

/u/TCS13579

The only protection against this is Multi Sig but most vendors do not understand it. We think Dark force all vendors to use multi sig and hence why it is not number one market.

/u/wizrd

Empire literally moved millions of dollars worth of crypto and you're telling me that someone just booted it offline? And it's over just like that?

/u/icann

this your first exit scam? it's my second, that's how it happens. like this. everything's fine for months until suddenly it's all in turmoil

/u/skydrown

Because they didn't have $1M that's why they stole money from people. They were probably running a ponzi scheme as well.

/u/lordsith

This has got me bugged out. I am use to it. But when it does happen. Still freaks me out, I have been around from the start of dream. But i hope this works out.

/u/leavehonest

Everyone knew this shit was coming. I was surprised they was letting everyone add their wickr contacts and not getting banned. Hope y'all got ahold of your plugs. Leavehonest12 for me if u need anything.

/u/wherescrystal

What date and time did the market go down exactly? UTC time?

/u/Adinfitum

Holy crap!

I was annoyed at losing $250, seeing some of you losing $10K's + humbles me.

/u/flowersinbloom

No one lost 10k. Even in escrow top vendors wouldnt have lost this amount. Never keep BTC in the market. In out shake it all about :(

/u/phelix

This is for real. Watching hundreds of thousands drip out of the hot wallet faucet. Sorry to everyone who got their money stolen.

/u/WhiteShark

End of a sad story, start of a new era.

/u/Fauxie

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/u/centrum

Just hit 12k purchases so this is kinda lame. I don't like Icarus at all it lacks a lot of features like basic search filtering and escrow which are ultimately the most important. WHM It is for me then I guess, or where ever all my favourite vendors end up.

/u/mehmeow

Thats exactly how I felt about Icarus. Not being able to even filter for US-US listings only just confirmed that market is an unfinished clusterfuck

/u/unclejerry

There's definitely a filter search feature. Used it many times since yesterday. Also made 2 purchases, so we shall see!

/u/buldge

If I were the owner of a market such as Empire, I would be concerned about people coming after me in retaliation. There are those who would go as far as taking someones life over theft of monies especially considering the type of business we are engaged in. I'm sure there are a good number of people putting resources into finding out who's behind the curtain. Maybe I've watched too many movies and my imagination is running wild? I was cheated out of $30 from a vendor who shorted me one item and I would certainly punch the guy in the nose if I ever met him. What would a vendor do who lost many thousands?

/u/Dantheman

So the admins, the ones who were working at keeping the deposit/withdrawal system working days before this happened and the same admins who wanted Empire to be the longest market in history, finally had enough of the ddos attacks. So, they closed the market. I guess they thought it was a good ideal to steal everyone's money too?
Or, are they going to send a private message to all vendors informing them that once the ddos stops they will have an opportunity to login to the market and withdrawal their coins?..or not

/u/two_waters_please

Damn. RIP

/u/brookkllyn

Who cares another market will pop up and they will exit scam... clearly this is how these markets been working forever

/u/mushmedic

lots of drama today

/u/guilt

Any1 with a bit info on what markets i seek /u/bailopan. Emp fkd us up good

/u/DarkFoxMarket

If someone is looking for other market, we invite you to test our services where you can buy and sell a lot of goods!
We are estabilished above 6 months.

Cheers
/d/DarkFoxMarket

/u/Stravinsky56

Y'all don't learn. This is par for the course on the darknet. Regardless of who is really the admin on Empire, the fact is every market will exit scam and we should all be prepared for that.

/u/cnofear

Have these admins ever thought about they are going to have to watch thier backs for the rest of thier lives?All they had to do was let us withdraw our funds and and gave us time to do so instead of just quitting. I would of delt with the slowness. Some links were ok while others ran slow. They should still let us get on to withdraw unless they want to live in fear. I know the cartels are going to go after them and they wont stop until they are dead. My advice for them is to open the servers for a short period of time for us to withdraw.

/u/LekkerCocaine

Dear Customers,
as many other vendors we are the ones who are most affected by this scam. Its our third scam from a market we are going through now. This hit us the hardest as we had a peak of escrows not beeing released cause our customer got happy and apparently didnt think its necessary to release immediately. Dont know how much exactly we lost as we dont check the escrow everday but its a lot.

Its happening again and again but you customers still think that markets give you any way of security through their so called "escrow". In the end its all bullshit and just a way for any market to do an exit-scam in the end. We never had an dispute which we lost. Its simply impossible because we always do everything right. Our interest is to sell. Not to ripp anybody. It just doesnt make sense for us to ripp if we can earn 10 times + more with you by having you as a returning customer. As long as you comply with our terms of agreement, there is no reason for a dispute. We always gave reship to our customers, even though it never was our fault. Only cases we dont reship is non-tracked orders. Not because we dont want to give you reship but because there are too many scammers out there trying to make use of this.

Anyone who wants to support us. Feel free to add us on Wickr for the best cocaine in Europe shipping from Germany, all tracked. Wickr: LekkerCocaine. Feel free to use our public PGP. Same as on White House Market or Empire. Wickr is safe, it works faster, we can give you faster support and nobody loses anything.

/u/CrystalCleer

Being a vendor our team who lost about 10k in the Empire bs. . We are hesitant about White House and other markets. . We are sitting on a shit load of product. . . and out 10k just sucks =/. . Anyone having any success on other markets?

/u/ShroomKingUKVendor

Hello, we are ShroomKingUK.

Msg us using our original PGP if you want proof.

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We are now working indepently and operating via wickr, and a clearnet website, We can be found as ShroomKingVend on WICKR and we will provide our clearnet site to those requesting it, we accept bitcoin and paypal.

We lost a massive amount in escrow, we shipped every single order, so hopefully those happy customers can find us again and we can work on rebuilding. We are not on any markets currently, but will aim to move to one once we have earnt enough for a vendor bond again.

its a shame as we had built up 99.75% reputation in over 800 sales :( now having to start again

/u/mrweedmanuk

such a shame was a vendor on there moved over to icarus all

/u/throwedplaya

fuck u se7en nice deleted account lmfao

/u/5527

With Empire gone, where can people even shop?

/u/GOOFY01

mkaay.. so this is the fault of 'GUSTAV' and maybe some copycats, right ?

/u/boomingsales

RIP. We opened up shop July 15, it was our first foray into the DN. Did $13k in sales, but lost $7k in escrow. Good thing we didn't bid on the top 8 spot phewwwwwww. *Wipes brow*

To anyone that is looking for us, we will be on every major market within the next 48 hrs. It has taken us a while to accept that Empire isn't coming back.

Practicing stoicism ad finitum. Cheers, friends. Trap hard & trap fair.

/u/RoamingGnome

I was hoping empire would come back, and Monday was the day I was looking forward to. However, Monday has came and went. I join WHM but looked confusing, so I have sided with DarkMarket instead and have found my favorite vendor from Empire already!

Hope Empire will be coming back soon and this is just temporary.

/u/kinggearbag

Anybody know of vendor McDonalds? Just looking for a new way to buy!! Hopefully hasn't decided to dissapear!

/u/kamagralink

Find me on Whitehouse or Darkmarket
Not Icarus cant be trusted they changed
FE rules for some vendors, as soon as Empire went
down. Dirty b......s

/u/OneofEach_1

I would first like to apologise to everyone who has lost their earning on empire. I was an upcoming vendor on Empire. Had a lot going on for me. I had one of thethe best H on there for really cheap. Add me on wickr oneofeach1 OFFERING MAJOR DISCOUNTS. Afghan and Turkish Delight both available!!!!

/u/WeisseKirche

No way I believe that !

/u/TinyMousey

Just came here to say thanks for all you did se7en! I really appreciated that you were always transparent when so many others weren't. Thank you.

/u/Murray

Ciao!

/u/yahweh

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/u/gizmodo

Top seller
I have already ordered with you it s 20/20
Gl and see you soon

/u/ogfrenchtoast

Ogfrenchtoast on Icarus Market !!
High quality MDMA
Dilaudids
Coke

/u/XXxxVxxXX

DeepSeaMarket I guess its time to get wet!! Fuck Empire long live DeepSeaMarket!

dsmk633vbfkupzi2.onion/registration?referrer=02Y43H

XXxxVxxXX

/u/surchargeescargot

So what I'm reading is the dark net is hell and will probably never be anywhere close to as reliable as it was even just a year ago?

/u/UnitedDopersEnt

Hello Patients
MedicalDope Here..(Empire Going Down Has Not Stopped Our Mission
We Are Fully Up And Running With New Products As Well)

Known On DNM's As 1 Of The Fastest Shippers With Medical Grade DOPE
At The Most Affordable Prices

Obviously We Are In A State Of Un Rest Seeing As
Or Beloved Empire Market Has Went Down

Have No Fear MedicalDope & CrystalCleer Are Here

Wickr:MedicalDope
Wickr:CrystalCleer

Thank You
-MD

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/u/poops

I'm so sad.. Even though I only dealt with one vendor my whole time on empire..

All4Canada brother,

If your out there please PM me. It's fock..x.
I miss you man and I hope your alright!
If anyone knows if there's another market I can find him on please let me know!

/u/byzcandor

can someone give us a quick TL;DR summary of what the whole 'endgame links' is about, and how the ddos'ers use these?

/u/bootedup

I got on there the last day it was online and it said there was 2 grand in my account but it wouldn't let me withdraw lol I will miss empire for sure ...whats the next best market?

/u/reallywhm

ok Caleb i believe you millions dont.

/u/Hydratix

i decided not to actualy post anything here all these while but it has come to the time to do so since market went away and our customers are getting lost
we still have freshly skimmed cards available
We haveAUDIO & GSM ATM Skimmers aswell write us for partnerships too
ICQ: 755977842
TELEGRAM: @atmcrack

/u/Buttwhisle1

It's shocking to me that you have the audacity to even post such nonsense. Like what do you actually think, were going to welcome you back with open arms? Won't surprise me tomorrow when I wake up if the author of this post is u/deleted. ???? Sorry mfs to do what y'all did.

/u/SkullKang

~~ Please contact me if were were discussing any services on Empire ~~ :/

/u/frankocean55

fuck them empire they scammed us!!!

/u/satoshisnipple

Jesus you are annoying

/u/Popilusaxor

Fucking everytime exit scam. No one learns

/u/doctorblast

So what is the best market now to use for fraud ?

/u/HackHindiVendor

hope tor fix this shitty problem soon :(

/u/supopeptide

it happened again:(
disappointed!

/u/35k3y

a lot of people lost money on here how about that ??

/u/KKREW

Come check us out now at ICARUS Slowly building the store back up but for your shatter cart and stim needs http://icarucz2c5b5m24oqip2wjx5qehxr5haecfmgjxxt2otg45tjhlwnrid.onion/user/KKREW

/u/dee1975

Market places are great to attract new customers but this seems to be like a reoccurring trend. How long will it be till the next market place follows this same trajectory?

If there are any vendors out there looking to setup an independent store or Telegram bot to accept and manage orders please get in touch. I provide consultation and have setup stores for vendors in the past successfully.

/u/Richo99

bad dogs

/u/Urbar

Hey i´m a vendor with a couple years of experience. You can check out me homegrown premium weed which has over a 1K of happy customer reviews on various Markets.
BUT I HAVE NEVER used Walletless markets believe it or not.
On Walletless Markets like DM for example, whats the safest way to use Bitcoin.
I mean you add your wallet adress for your Bitcoin Wallet! Isnt that unsafe and you could be identified if somebody analyses the blockchain. Or is there some tool i´m missing out on... ?

/u/laguerthak

first change to monero and create a wallet by tor examples:
EasyCoin – http://easycoinsayj7p5l.onion/
OnionWallet – http://ow24et3tetp6tvmk.onion/
if you still using bitcoins remember tmbled and use vpn and change your adress with every transaction.
Hidden Wallet – http://nql7pv7k32nnqor2.onion/
Shadow Wallet – http://shadowrnzghb5zhb.onion/
monero is real anonimity

/u/lemmydon1

Hello. I bought an Amazon account listed as $1000 + Paypal and a method to cashout including portable client with cookies etc. I forgot his name but it cost rougly $70 for it. £55 in UK money. If anyone could find his username for me or if by the grace of god you see this. I never got the chance to copy down the download link you provided for me once the sale went through and now I cannot acccess the site I don't have it at all! IF anyone can help I'll be so grateful. Thanks a lot.

/u/lynxaki

This is bullshit. Empire market just exit scammed. There´s nothing to argue about.

/u/Mykola

Hey Se7en,

The fall of Empire is one I will never forget. Although I wish people had an opportunity to get their money out of the market, we can't forget the two years Empire dedicated to giving vendors a place to sell, and consumers a place to buy. Empire was a DarkWeb favorite and it will be missed. I hope you have the opportunity to be apart of the next big thing.

/u/pharmmarket

I was a vendor on empire trusted lvl 5 known as pharmmarket the clonazolem god. I have the strongest benzo in the game. Contact me. I can be found on White House Market and Deepsea Market. Thank all who were valued customers of mine on this market.

/u/DefinitelyNotFBI

We're sorry.

/u/snizzy24

USPharma is a rip of she sent me what I ordered for 3 times she changed to fe then she screw me sent 50 of the shittiest bats made a containing product ever I was supposed to get 200s USPharma is a rip of stay away just like empire stay away

/u/Madhatter2020

Greetings. If anyone is looking for liquid Methadone, this is Madhatter2019. I am now at CartelMarket my ref link is here: mgybzfrldjn5drzv537skh7kgwgbq45dwha67r4elda4vl7m6qul5xqd.onion/register.php?r=Os4BjUkB436cM6

A lot of the vendors from empire are here. I'm not sure how many of them are active at the moment but I check my vendor dash once a day. If you need me I will be there. Hopefully empire will come back. I lost my funds there as well.

/u/nanaseth

scammers cannot sleep peacefully

/u/Scrface

If you guys ever get found, I'm contributing to the bounty. Fresh ID but this face won't forget what you've done.

/u/berny

[pending moderation]

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/u/brokenangle

hay guys can you please help me for cc hacking a-z

/u/crackheaddom101P

Se7en worse came to worse, Respect to you for coming out but still disagree on alot of things but enjoy your retirement! Fuck the Admin btw

/u/greeentoyotas

Well this is depressing. Thank you u/Se7en for the feedback.

/u/RuntzBoi

Damn I'm not to sure if i beileve the legitmacy of this post but its a shame such a big market had to close early. At this rate I don't think we'll ever get a market like dream ever again. :(

/u/chestermcbadbat

damn, long live the empire.

onto WHM next.

/u/DOOTDOOT

I tried WHM at first and it looked confusing as shit. Everything is like in euros or some shit. And the prices are more expensive than Empire.

/u/evola

[removed]

/u/EdwardBond

Damn, just starting to build up my vendor account. What market are vendors most likely to switch to?

/u/BettyBopped

Soooooo where is everyone moving to? Im established on WHM, Versus project, now getting established on Icarus.. Handling Wickr sales.. Where else can I go?

I was a level 9 vendor. Shipping 15+ parcels a day. (about $10k+ a day being shipped)
This really hurts the ol' feelings.

/u/ShinyHunters

Goodbye, Empire.

/u/xswissx

wow unprecedented!

/u/Loot_milkies

YES !!!!!!!!!!!!1 YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fuck yea !!!!!!!11 yessssssss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!11. I KNEW THIS DAY WOULD FUCKING COME I JUST HAD TO KEEP GRINDING . aND BETTER YET /U/SE7EN DIDNT GET PAID EITHER . aND THEY WHERE BEING EXTORTED !! nOW THEY ARE FUCKING GONE !!!!!!!! yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. VICTORY !!!!!

/u/Yes666999

how victory? lol what?

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